>> i -- no, no, governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. megyn: the crowd wasn't getting what the president was trying to do there. [laughter] >> well, he wasn't exactly closing the deal. he didn't sound like he was too convinced of his just okayness, and certainly there's a playing this part, there's going out and saying, oh, i don't know how well we'll do, but i would say that democrats certainly are expecting that the president will do with mitt romney what, in fact, he did with john mccain which is that as the two of them stand on stage together, the president figures that he's going to look cool, calm and collected and that he can rattle or fluster mitt romney. megyn: well, we saw some moments with mitt romney during the republican primary, and i'm going to jump a little out of order for the control room, but there was one, this one debate in which he actually laid hands on rick perry, and they went back and forth. here's a small clip. >> i don't think i've ever hired an illegal in my life. i'm looking forward to finding your facts on